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Picking the collective brain

Was chatting with [info - personal] renay about fandom stuff, and we got to wondering something that really requires the collective consciousness of fandom. So, have a poll.

Do you consider FFX and FFX-2 to be a single fandom or two separate fandoms?

One fandom
20(66.7%)
Two fandoms
10(33.3%)

FF.net splits FFX and FFX-2 into separate, unrelated categories. If you were to post a story including both FFX-only and X-2 only characters, which category would you put it in?

FFX
1(3.2%)
FFX-2
7(22.6%)
It depends on who the main character/pairing is
20(64.5%)
It depends on another factor which I will explain in comments
3(9.7%)

If you were in an archive with one category named FFX, would you expect to find and/or feel comfortable posting FFX-2 fic there?

Yes
23(74.2%)
No
6(19.4%)
It depends, and I will explain why in comments
2(6.5%)

If you were in an archive with one category named FFX/X-2, would you expect to find and/or feel comfortable posting FFX fic that disregards X-2 canon there?

Yes
28(90.3%)
No
3(9.7%)
It depends, and I will explain why in comments
0(0.0%)

Do you consider FFVII Compilation to be a single fandom or a collection of separate fandoms?

One fandom
17(56.7%)
Multiple fandoms
12(40.0%)
Something else which I will explain in comments
1(3.3%)

Do you consider "Ivalice Alliance" to be one fandom or multiple fandoms?

One fandom
4(13.3%)
Each game is a separate fandom
10(33.3%)
The XII games are one fandom and the Tactics games are another
10(33.3%)
The XII games are one fandom, but the Tactics games are separate fandoms
5(16.7%)
The Tactics games are one fandom, but the XII games are separate fandoms
0(0.0%)
Something else which I will explain in comments
1(3.3%)

Which of these fandoms do you consider yourself to be part of? (just for informational purposes)

Final Fantasy
2(6.5%)
FFVII (any or all)
1(3.2%)
FFX and/or FFX-2
2(6.5%)
FFXII (any or all)
0(0.0%)
FF Tactics (any or all)
0(0.0%)



Please spread this one far and wide; I want as broad a sampling as possible. Also, my standard disclaimer: I welcome open and honest discussion, but I request that you not flame FFX-2 in comments -- flawed or no, I happen to be quite fond of it, so if anyone comes out with the burning hatred, the conversation isn't going to get very far. Thanks.

Comments

owlmoose
Oct. 18th, 2009 03:23 am (UTC)
I was hoping you would weigh in, since you have played all (or nearly all) the games and have been at least peripherally involved in so many FF fandoms. :) I see your point about Tactics being different from the other compilation fandoms. Are they spread out over a long period of time? It might be somewhat analogous to the connection between FFVII and FFX, which is so tenuous and over such a huge time span that I don't think anyone would ever seriously argue that they could be the same fandom.
lassarina
Oct. 18th, 2009 09:57 am (UTC)
I think the only ones I'm missing at this point are Crisis Core (which is on the shelf waiting) and the various Crystal Chronicles, so...yeah. XD

Tactics Advance and TA2 both say they take place in Ivalice, but share no settting places at all with FFXII, FF Tactics, or Vagrant Story. (For that matter, no place-names in FFT match up to FFXII, and there are only the most tenuous of connections between the two; FFT is set 500 years after FFXII and has one character with the same surname as Balthier, and heavily features the Glabados Church which is only vaguely referenced in FFXII.) A few FF12 characters make cameos in FFTA2 (Vaan, Penelo, Montblanc, and Al-Cid), while two FFTA characters make cameos in FFTA2 (Montblanc and Mewt.) While the connections are definitely there, I'd say they're too tenuous to consider it even an umbrella fandom. (The main link between FFTA, FFTA2, and FFT is the battle system, anyway.)

I wasn't even aware there WAS a link between FF7 and FFX compilations. I know FFX is the only other game to feature the Magus Sisters from FF4, but I wouldn't say that connects the canons.
owlmoose
Oct. 18th, 2009 11:52 am (UTC)
In X-2 Ultimania, Kazushige Nojima (writer of X-2) said that he intended the character of Shinra in FFX-2 to be the direct ancestor of the founder of the Shinra Electric Power Company. There are a few hints in X-2 that Shinra and Rin have been working together to tap the Farplane as a source of energy -- ie. mako energy. Here's the interview:

http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/nojima.htm

It sounds like it's basically Nojima's headcanon, so it's not really official. But it's still interesting. The funny thing for me is that, the first time we played the game, T kept calling Shinra a spy. I hadn't played FFVII at that point, so I didn't get the reference to Reeve, but I kept insisting that it was just a in-joke name. But given this information, T may have been more right about that than I was! ;)

Edited at 2009-10-18 03:54 pm (UTC)
lassarina
Oct. 18th, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
Ahhhh, I see. XD Oh, Square. PUBLISH ULTIMANIA HERE. rar.

That's funny, that T kept calling him a spy. I approve. XD

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